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		<title>Comment on The Tipping Point ~ Part II: The Descent of Tom Harman &#8211; Born Again Immigrant Basher by ocvoice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In previous comments posts here, writer Vern Nelson had asserted that another commentator was or might be, in fact, yet another person attempting to hide his true identity. On the slim chance that anybody cares or might have read such comments, they have been deleted because they have no known factual basis one way or the other. Further, there is no way for the OC Voice (especially since for all practical purposes it no longer exists) to investigate the true identiy of the people, sane or insande, cogently expressive or idiotic, who post comments on this website. I consider myself lucky to know who I am, so I sure as hell don&#039;t know who you really are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In previous comments posts here, writer Vern Nelson had asserted that another commentator was or might be, in fact, yet another person attempting to hide his true identity. On the slim chance that anybody cares or might have read such comments, they have been deleted because they have no known factual basis one way or the other. Further, there is no way for the OC Voice (especially since for all practical purposes it no longer exists) to investigate the true identiy of the people, sane or insande, cogently expressive or idiotic, who post comments on this website. I consider myself lucky to know who I am, so I sure as hell don&#8217;t know who you really are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Sign of Bad Times in Surf City: City Council could have made a difference by Joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha ha, yes I need to get my eyes checked. 

You&#039;re missing the point. We had a chance to get rid of an unenforceable law, that would have helped some small businesses and low-end wage earners.

Not often that the city council gets a chance like that. 

You obviously have no idea the sea of regulations which small business owners must navigate, which often have more impact on them than it does on a larger business.

It&#039;s an example of another foolish law that hinders business opportunities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, yes I need to get my eyes checked. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing the point. We had a chance to get rid of an unenforceable law, that would have helped some small businesses and low-end wage earners.</p>
<p>Not often that the city council gets a chance like that. </p>
<p>You obviously have no idea the sea of regulations which small business owners must navigate, which often have more impact on them than it does on a larger business.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an example of another foolish law that hinders business opportunities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Risky Nanotechnology: Alarms sound over its safety by Risky Nanotechnology &#171; Boogie Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Risky Nanotechnology &#171; Boogie Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mayor Keith Bohr: Huntington Beach can&#8217;t lose with the Poseidon desalination project by Suzanne Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzanne Hart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public records indicate that Mr. Bohr and his family uses more water at their residence than any other residence in Huntington Beach.  No wonder he&#039;s all for the desalination plant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public records indicate that Mr. Bohr and his family uses more water at their residence than any other residence in Huntington Beach.  No wonder he&#8217;s all for the desalination plant</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview Part III: Conserving Water, Privatization, Being Green, City and National Politics, Infrastructure Short Fall and the Senior Center by Jeff Lebow</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two comments:
On the residential water use issue:
Part of going green is to eat locally.  The most local source of food is that which is grown on our property.  That requires water.  Should we curtail local food production and only use the number of residents as the determining factor in establishing a household water baseline?

Would the city be interested in looking at a water irrigation technology that is proving to reduce water use in compacted soils, like we have throughout our city?  If so, I can arrange that.


thanks,
jeff lebow]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments:<br />
On the residential water use issue:<br />
Part of going green is to eat locally.  The most local source of food is that which is grown on our property.  That requires water.  Should we curtail local food production and only use the number of residents as the determining factor in establishing a household water baseline?</p>
<p>Would the city be interested in looking at a water irrigation technology that is proving to reduce water use in compacted soils, like we have throughout our city?  If so, I can arrange that.</p>
<p>thanks,<br />
jeff lebow</p>
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		<title>Comment on Desalinomics 101: &#8216;No Cost&#8217; Desal Costs A Lot! How your tax dollars built the desalination business by Speed Blogging &#124; Conservation Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] far, but they&#8217;re almost there! Also read (via DW) this critical &#8212; and thorough &#8212; look at the politics and economics of Poseidon&#8217;s plants. This one is even worse: a local politician who let Poseidon write [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] far, but they&#8217;re almost there! Also read (via DW) this critical &#8212; and thorough &#8212; look at the politics and economics of Poseidon&#8217;s plants. This one is even worse: a local politician who let Poseidon write [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catch the Green Surfing Wave by Catch Green Surf Wave &#171; Boogie Green</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mayor Keith Bohr on the future of Huntington Beach by John Scoott</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the in-depth interview with Mayor Keith Bohr.  It provided me with a better understanding of who the man is and what values he brings to his task of giving direction to  our city.   It was interesting how he forthrightly stated that he sees his role on the council as about generating tax revenue, “but with my background in development and with the city in redevelopment it’s about increasing your sales tax, your bed tax from the hotels and the property tax.”  The plan for the future of Huntington Beach is to create a city that will keep HB shoppers home and attract people from other communities in a manner “that makes them come down to HB and spend money.”   One method of facilitating this is to move businesses through the entitlement process as quickly as possible”. 

He supports New Urbanism, a concept he characterizes as high density development mixed with commercial development, for two corridors. One would stretch along the length of Beach Boulevard and the other along Edinger.  He sees those corridors as being mostly high density residential interspersed at major cross streets such as Ellis with commercial areas.  He sees that mix as critical for the survival of the businesses which otherwise would have to depend on tourists.  My understanding of his plan for that corridor is that by establishing the commercial islands surrounded by high density residential, the city will be able to capture increased sales tax.  His vision seems to be to plan the future HB as a dynamo for sales tax revenue. 

Historically, cities in Southern California were laid out in half mile grids.  That worked fine when gas was cheap and automobiles were produced in the US.  Now we find ourselves in a different world and faced with different transportation challenges.  Mr. Bohr’s  plan seems to be to develop  East-West and North-South high density developments  through the city along existing major traffic corridors.   There is no attempt to develop and  incorporate future transportation plans into this vision. 

His vision of New Urbanism has the young professionals living in these high density corridors.  “They can’t afford a house yet.  They don’t want to be tied down yet.”  He sees that life-style as a temporary thing, but then reflects on it as a necessary life-style change if the price of gas returns to the $5 range. 

 

My problem with this vision of our city is that it plots the future course of our city along a path that provides the city with the most tax revenue.  He candidly states that he will continue to live in his single family home away from this planned corridor as he speculates most homeowners will also do.  High density corridors interspersed with commercial development will be constructed following existing city grid lines developed in the mid 50’s as the automobile was dictating our future plans.  New Urbanism, designed to foster community, will be changed to mean a structure that provides high density residential  as a method to support tax producing commercial businesses when the tourists are not  here. 

 John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the in-depth interview with Mayor Keith Bohr.  It provided me with a better understanding of who the man is and what values he brings to his task of giving direction to  our city.   It was interesting how he forthrightly stated that he sees his role on the council as about generating tax revenue, “but with my background in development and with the city in redevelopment it’s about increasing your sales tax, your bed tax from the hotels and the property tax.”  The plan for the future of Huntington Beach is to create a city that will keep HB shoppers home and attract people from other communities in a manner “that makes them come down to HB and spend money.”   One method of facilitating this is to move businesses through the entitlement process as quickly as possible”. </p>
<p>He supports New Urbanism, a concept he characterizes as high density development mixed with commercial development, for two corridors. One would stretch along the length of Beach Boulevard and the other along Edinger.  He sees those corridors as being mostly high density residential interspersed at major cross streets such as Ellis with commercial areas.  He sees that mix as critical for the survival of the businesses which otherwise would have to depend on tourists.  My understanding of his plan for that corridor is that by establishing the commercial islands surrounded by high density residential, the city will be able to capture increased sales tax.  His vision seems to be to plan the future HB as a dynamo for sales tax revenue. </p>
<p>Historically, cities in Southern California were laid out in half mile grids.  That worked fine when gas was cheap and automobiles were produced in the US.  Now we find ourselves in a different world and faced with different transportation challenges.  Mr. Bohr’s  plan seems to be to develop  East-West and North-South high density developments  through the city along existing major traffic corridors.   There is no attempt to develop and  incorporate future transportation plans into this vision. </p>
<p>His vision of New Urbanism has the young professionals living in these high density corridors.  “They can’t afford a house yet.  They don’t want to be tied down yet.”  He sees that life-style as a temporary thing, but then reflects on it as a necessary life-style change if the price of gas returns to the $5 range. </p>
<p>My problem with this vision of our city is that it plots the future course of our city along a path that provides the city with the most tax revenue.  He candidly states that he will continue to live in his single family home away from this planned corridor as he speculates most homeowners will also do.  High density corridors interspersed with commercial development will be constructed following existing city grid lines developed in the mid 50’s as the automobile was dictating our future plans.  New Urbanism, designed to foster community, will be changed to mean a structure that provides high density residential  as a method to support tax producing commercial businesses when the tourists are not  here. </p>
<p> John</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mayor Keith Bohr: Huntington Beach can&#8217;t lose with the Poseidon desalination project by ocvoice</title>
		<link>http://ocvoice.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/mayor-keith-bohr-huntington-beach-cant-lose-with-poseidon-desalination-plant/#comment-329</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 20:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;This response was posted by the webmaster due to technical difficulties that prevented the writer from doing so. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of the OC Voice.&lt;/em&gt;

Mayor Bohr and the voting majority of the City Council have taken a cavalier attitude towards Poseidon Resource&#039;s plans for building a desalination plant connected to the AES power generation site.  &quot;we stand to lose nothing.&quot;  Just who is included in the &quot;we&quot;?.  The residents of S. E. Huntington Beach stand to lose about 2 more years to construction damages not only from the building of the plant but the trenching of a 48 inch water pipeline 4 miles through our homes &amp; businesses.  We also stand to &quot;lose&quot; if this pipeline runs into contaminated soil as the project is dug directly in front of the ASCON toxic waste site.  We all stand to &quot;lose&quot; if Poseidon Resources can&#039;t complete the project.  It doesn&#039;t have a stellar record when it comes to completing (on time and within budget) desalination facilities of this magnitude.  Might I remind the powers that be, one of whom lives in S. E., that we already host the O.C. Sanitation District sewage treatment plant, the ASCON toxic waste landfill, and the AES monstrosity.  Our area&#039;s largest park, Edison, is due to begin park &quot;reconfiguration&quot; and building a methane collection system later this month.  Let&#039;s hope travel arrangements have been figured out so the backhoes don&#039;t collide on Hamilton Avenue.
 
Further, if the City Council even suspected there is a better and less environmentally damaging technology available to desalinate water (and there IS), why would they subject our coast to this wound?
The financial backbone of our city is tourism.  We are SURF CITY not Salt City.  People expect to find the blue Pacific at our shores, not polluted beaches from outfall generated by a desalination plant that Huntington Beach does not need.  This is a case of global water profiteers capitalizing on a drought frenzy brought on more by current water mismanagement rather than a lack of rainfall.
 
The decision to pass the EIR for this boondoggle was not very farsighted and made by not very informed people at the top.
 
Merle Moshiri, President
Residents for Responsible Desalination

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<p>Mayor Bohr and the voting majority of the City Council have taken a cavalier attitude towards Poseidon Resource&#8217;s plans for building a desalination plant connected to the AES power generation site.  &#8220;we stand to lose nothing.&#8221;  Just who is included in the &#8220;we&#8221;?.  The residents of S. E. Huntington Beach stand to lose about 2 more years to construction damages not only from the building of the plant but the trenching of a 48 inch water pipeline 4 miles through our homes &amp; businesses.  We also stand to &#8220;lose&#8221; if this pipeline runs into contaminated soil as the project is dug directly in front of the ASCON toxic waste site.  We all stand to &#8220;lose&#8221; if Poseidon Resources can&#8217;t complete the project.  It doesn&#8217;t have a stellar record when it comes to completing (on time and within budget) desalination facilities of this magnitude.  Might I remind the powers that be, one of whom lives in S. E., that we already host the O.C. Sanitation District sewage treatment plant, the ASCON toxic waste landfill, and the AES monstrosity.  Our area&#8217;s largest park, Edison, is due to begin park &#8220;reconfiguration&#8221; and building a methane collection system later this month.  Let&#8217;s hope travel arrangements have been figured out so the backhoes don&#8217;t collide on Hamilton Avenue.</p>
<p>Further, if the City Council even suspected there is a better and less environmentally damaging technology available to desalinate water (and there IS), why would they subject our coast to this wound?<br />
The financial backbone of our city is tourism.  We are SURF CITY not Salt City.  People expect to find the blue Pacific at our shores, not polluted beaches from outfall generated by a desalination plant that Huntington Beach does not need.  This is a case of global water profiteers capitalizing on a drought frenzy brought on more by current water mismanagement rather than a lack of rainfall.</p>
<p>The decision to pass the EIR for this boondoggle was not very farsighted and made by not very informed people at the top.</p>
<p>Merle Moshiri, President<br />
Residents for Responsible Desalination</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mayor Keith Bohr: Huntington Beach can&#8217;t lose with the Poseidon desalination project by Milt Dardis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milt Dardis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Mayor Bohr does not understand on Poseidon Resources?  Many of the little people and fellow taxpayers are trying to educate the HB taxpayers that we have bought into a &quot;Flim Flam&quot; operation.

 Has Mayor Bohr done his due diligence on Poseidon Resources?  We the taxpayers want to know what the capitalization and Tangible Net Worth of a company is before you give them free reins to the City Treasury.  Look at the Sports Complex; whereby the contractor absconded with $975,000 in taxpayers money and there was no recovery.  The City Attorney did get a raise the following year for not collecting.

Why did the first two contactors that were selected by Poseidon Resources go bankrupt during the construction of the Tampa Bay Desal Plant.  This is a &quot;red flag&quot; waving since Poseidon was responsible.

Poseidon digs up our streets to build a pipeline and then defaults.  Mayor Bohr will then consider these 10 foot trenches as potholes  and do nothing as he did not ask for a Performance Bond or a Completion Bond for this project.
Milt Dardis
Ethics; We have no stinking Ethics]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Mayor Bohr does not understand on Poseidon Resources?  Many of the little people and fellow taxpayers are trying to educate the HB taxpayers that we have bought into a &#8220;Flim Flam&#8221; operation.</p>
<p> Has Mayor Bohr done his due diligence on Poseidon Resources?  We the taxpayers want to know what the capitalization and Tangible Net Worth of a company is before you give them free reins to the City Treasury.  Look at the Sports Complex; whereby the contractor absconded with $975,000 in taxpayers money and there was no recovery.  The City Attorney did get a raise the following year for not collecting.</p>
<p>Why did the first two contactors that were selected by Poseidon Resources go bankrupt during the construction of the Tampa Bay Desal Plant.  This is a &#8220;red flag&#8221; waving since Poseidon was responsible.</p>
<p>Poseidon digs up our streets to build a pipeline and then defaults.  Mayor Bohr will then consider these 10 foot trenches as potholes  and do nothing as he did not ask for a Performance Bond or a Completion Bond for this project.<br />
Milt Dardis<br />
Ethics; We have no stinking Ethics</p>
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